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Colonel Banryx · Guest

Alright, I'll start the conversation again. They CAN'T create antimatter. What you're implying is simply that protons can act as electrons in a proton cloud, while electrons can bonded with neutron. Here's the main problem. Electrons have 1/2000 the mass of a proton. Not only would the Protons collapse in on the Electrons, it would abliterate itself. Which may be what you're implying, BUT, we have never even seen the inside of an atom. We can only guess with outside observation what is within one. And since antimatter doesn't exist regularly on earth, what you're saying would be assembling subatomic particles on a subatomic level. This is simply impossible. Not only is it IMPOSSIBLE to have electrons make up the nucleus because of their inferior mass, but subatomic arrangement simply is eons away.

Lord Storms · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:17 am Post subject:

But certain reactions (can't recall exactly what they were) can switch theCHARGES of the Protons and Electrons.
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General Ceyrox · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject:

No... the mass would make it collapse. Maybe I'll ask my science teacher on Monday, she'd probably know.
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Lord Storms · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject:

There is no difference in mass.
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General Ceyrox · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject:

Yes there is! An Electron is approximately 1/2000th the mass of a Proton.
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Lord Storms · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:34 am Post subject:

I mean between antimatter and matter. The charges are different, not the individual particles.
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General Ceyrox · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:27 am Post subject:

That's the flaw. That couldn't have been an atom with Electrons for Protons, or Protons for Electrons, the mass is too different.
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Lord Storms · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:51 am Post subject:

THEY DON'T!!!

For the billionth time, they have positively-charged electrons and negatively-charged protons!!
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Colonel Banryx · Guest

Ceyrox is right. Neutrons and Protons have the same mass, about the same mass at least, while an electron has 1/2000 of the mass. There is a HUGE difference. It is why the nucleus(Protons and Neutrons) is most of the mass while electrons are most of the volume in an electron cloud. We're studying this in Science right now, so don't say I can't recall it. We were just talking about this yesterday.

Lord Bunnies · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:31 am Post subject:

You aren't listening to us.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRONS IN THE NUCLEUS. You don't switch the protons and electrons around themselves, just the charges. The nucleus would have the same mass, it just would be negative. The electron cloud (positron cloud?) would be the same too, just positive.

ANyway, they didn't get out there little tweezers and put some stuff together. They shot antiprotons at heavy elements. And sometimes when an antiproton got close enough to the atomic nucleus, it somehow (a.k.a. beta decay) created an electron+positron pair, and sometimes the antiproton would bond with the positron to create antihydrogen.

...Then it always killed itself, but it still happened....
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Lord Storms · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

Somewhere they found a type of radiation that can contain it. However, this is difficult to use.

Also, antimatter also destroys itself when it comes into contact with matter because when together they have a 100% matter-to-energy conversion ratio.
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Colonel Banryx · Guest

In 1995, CERN stated that they discovered and created particles of anti-hydrogen. Unfortunately, they were to excited to study. Because of this, they have no proof that antimatter came into existence from CERN. Of course, they did so-called create antimatter on a later not; obviously it was highly unstable. But antimatter, and positrons, are highly unstable, and according to baryogenesis, undetectable unless they annihilate matter. Thereby, the actual antimatter can't be studied until after it is destroyed, which in theory it is antimatter, they have no "proof", technically, only that it results from cosmic particles.

Lord Storms · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject:

What? They talked about containing it with radiation and studying it on the History channel show "The Universe."
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Baron Loki · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject:

Off Topic!
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Colonel Banryx · Guest

Obviously you misheard.

Lord Storms · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject:

No, other people heard it too. I didn't mishear.
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General Ceyrox · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:16 am Post subject:

My God... you heard it on the Discovery Channel, well now I don't know what to think. (Sarcastic)
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Lord Storms · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:11 am Post subject:

First of all, capitalize God, please. Second of all, they have a good record for accuracy.
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Colonel Banryx · Guest

For one, he's not Catholic so he doesn't have to capatilize God. Two, it's pointless to debate this topic any further. Okay, Antimatter can be created and was discovered, but Dark Matter can't and wasn't. End of Story.

Lord Storms · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:53 am Post subject:

Christians in general capitalize God.

And who said that dark matter was discovered? I never did.
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Colonel Banryx · Guest

It was my mistake, I got the two confused. And we're not to strict in Christian code.

Lord Bunnies · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:49 am Post subject:

oh, so we're done with this now? That's good, case closed?
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Colonel Banryx · Guest

Yup. You're more correct than I am. I chose the losing side and I'm going to have to deal with that.

General Ceyrox · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:55 am Post subject:

Banryx giving up an argument? Well that's just wierd.

Anyways shouldn't this topic be about the news. When is the main page going to get updated anyway?
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Baron Loki · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject:

By the looks of it, never.

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