Colonel Banryx
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Flawed Money System?I've been thinking, and I've realized something I think we've all missed. No offense E.O.T.H., but your money system is highly flawed.
For starters, basically everyone starts with 20,000 dollars. (Anyone from OE at least.) So we all have 20,000. Next, items such as avatars and various other merchandise have been priced at $50-$1,000. (From what I've seen)
The most expensive item so far has been priced at $1,000 dollars, which is one-twentieth of our average salaries. So each of us could buy twenty of the most expensive items on the forum. Drinks and various other things that serve no purpose are maybe $50-$100, which compared to avatars is quite the rip-off. To sum it up, the price of items are completely disproportional to the salaries. Either we lower the salary or higher the prices.
The next item of discussion is the bidding. None of us here are experienced with prices, and I promise you people will bid outrageous amounts of money. Who does all this money go to? The auctioneer, Loki. So obviously he will pocket all this gross spending.
Finally, we have the HUGE GIANT FLAW! There is no bank. In a fight, the loser pays the winner. In an auction, the buyer pays the seller. From what I've seen, there is no way to earn money, no stated way at least. This means the most any one person could make is $180,000 dollars, and that leaves everyone else with zero. If items get as expensive as they did at OE, than all that money goes to the Emperor, who can charge outrageous amounts of money for things only he can perform, while we can only charge for flawed businesses. Have you noticed he has $30,000 dollars? Again, no offense E.O.T.H, but this means you can give yourself any amount of money without earning it.
To sum everything up, I say that our money system is failing because of disproprtional prices and salaries, plunders in business transctions and mental capturings of the price of items, and no bank or written rules of privelage in earning or spending. I propose we fix these flaws, please discuss improvements here.
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Lord Bane
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I think that you do not realize that there are different aspects. you can earn money by helping the clan, or by getting promoted.
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Colonel Banryx
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Well, than that is too flawed. Not only does it not say that you can earn money, but there is no set amount of money or a written point system. E.O.T.H. could be completely biased and give some people a certain amount of money, and other people a completely different amount. Not to mention two people could do the same thing, and he only rewards one. It could lead to a lot of trouble.
There is also the completely disproportional price values and the revision of the rules is pretty obvious.
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Dread Abyss
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I think the main problem is the proportional amount of money we have. We should have $2000 and adjust the prices.
Until then, we ought'ta wait for EO to come back and work out the prices.
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Lord Duality
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The money is flawed. We can't get anymore.
I htink everyone should get a salary every month with the rewards.
The salary would be the 'newly printed money' that we need so we can keep fighting.
The salary depends on ranks and any special rewards we earned (ie. longest time with one avatar could be worth 100)
Next I think that E.O. should get money but he really can't use it. He already has the best rank. And if he really wants he can get an avatar, it doesn't matter.
Plus Loki is not going to get all the cash. Money goes to the man selling the avatar.
Does this make sense?
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Colonel Banryx
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Yes, and somebody should rearrange prices so they are proportional.
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Lord Duality
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I think the prices are good, cept for maybe the avvies.
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Lord Bane
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I agree.
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Colonel Banryx
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No, they are not. If everybody had $2,000, then maybe it would work. But ten times that is just too much.
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Baron Loki
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However, E.O.T.H will pay/fine us the according amount if we battle someone who's not in the clan.
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Dread Abyss
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I think the main problem with the money is proportion. Our current amount of money is outrageous (though fun to have) and it makes it confusing to work out prices, if we fix that then we'll probably start doing more with the money.
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Baron Loki
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Yes, lets cut down our money to one tenth of what we have now. You too, E.O.T.H!
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Lord Duality
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I don't know, I think that proportion is okay but we really need new cash in the system after a while.
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Dread Abyss
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Further discussion of this should be given to EO via PM.
I want him to have a full inbox by the time he comes back. *insert evil laughter* 
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Lord Duality
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Nah, he'll see it.
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NS_Venom
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Your right, I will. nyway, the reason we have so much is because you guys aren't lowering your money when you need to. If you did that, this wouldn't have any problems. I'm not going to do everything for you!
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Lord Duality
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I think we should reset to 10,000. We were supposed to have that much.
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Colonel Banryx
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I actually think $5,000 dollars would be a good starting point...
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NS_Venom
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Even if I have to do it.
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Lord Duality
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your the emporer, you shuold have some cash so you can admister it to your troops.
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Colonel Banryx
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You can start with however much you want, oh emperor, but I think we should also work out a bank. Everyone starts with $5,000, and once a month you get an extra $1,000 dollars, or something.
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NS_Venom
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I'll think. Its going to take a bit to make the new system, and make it work.
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Colonel Banryx
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Yes, well, I think it'll be worth it.
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Dread Abyss
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I agree with Banryx, we should all have $5000. So if you've bought something, make sure you subtract that from your balance.
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Colonel Banryx
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And then we should have a fixed income rate:
Let's say:
Members: $100 every two weeks
Apprentices: $200 every two weeks
Lords: $500 every two weeks
Masters: $750 every two weeks
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NS_Venom
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Thats a start.
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Lord Bane
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I'm a lord and a master, so do I get 1250 every two weeks?
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Colonel Banryx
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I think you should probably just get $750.
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Lord Duality
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a Lord is someone who does not specialize.
I believe specializing hsould be extra money so you have a good system.
If we use this system I have most of Loki's cash.
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Baron Loki
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No, everything is devided by four.
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Colonel Banryx
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I don't understand what you are saying, Freeze.
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Lord Duality
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| Baron Loki wrote: | | No, everything is devided by four. |
Oh, then I get... 1200 cash! thats still a nice chunk.
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Colonel Banryx
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| Lord Freeze wrote: | | Baron Loki wrote: | | No, everything is devided by four. |
Oh, then I get... 1200 cash! thats still a nice chunk. |
You're just a master, Freeze. You'd just get $750. I don't know where you guys are getting all these other numbers.
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Lord Duality
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I beat loki, alot.
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Colonel Banryx
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Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, I think that his is going to be the new money system.
Everyone starts with $5,000
Everyone has a salary every two weeks, such as follows:
- New Members: $50
- Members: $100
- Apprentices: $200
- Generals: $300
- Lords: $500
- Masters: $750
In battle in different games, for every KO you get $25. Everytime you lose, you lose $25. The two-four participants all pay each other the total profits and what not.
Prices are to stay the same as the are now. Everything is proprtionate now.
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Lord Duality
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every 2 weeks? you don't even need to fight to get massive amounts of cash.
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Colonel Banryx
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| Lord Freeze wrote: | | every 2 weeks? you don't even need to fight to get massive amounts of cash. |
Fine, fine. How about every month.
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Baron Loki
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Yeah, but I think that "Members" and "New Members" should count as ranks. Also, someone could be a "General" and a "Master at the same time.
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Colonel Banryx
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| Baron Loki wrote: | | Yeah, but I think that "Members" and "New Members" should count as ranks. Also, someone could be a "General" and a "Master at the same time. |
Well yeah, but I think it would be assumed that they would get the salary of a higher rank, or in this case, master.
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Lord Duality
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Replace those 2 with Active-Member.
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Dread Abyss
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The prices should be lower and mixed. So if you're a Lord and a Master you get the amount of money both of those get combined. You probably meant that, but the prices would need to be lower. Maybe take a zero off the end of each?
I agree with Freeze.
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Baron Loki
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I say the system should be as follows:
Active Members: $10
Apprentices: $20
Generals: $30
Lords: $50
Masters: $75
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NS_Venom
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Lame.
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Colonel Banryx
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2 weeks is a lot longer then I think you guys are thinking. It should probably be:
Active Members: $20
Apprentices: $40
Generals: $60
Lords: $80
Masters: $100
And I don't think you should add them together if you fall into two categories. You should just get the amount of money from the higher category. Systems where you add them are very flawed, or can just get complicated.
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NS_Venom
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I see......
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Baron Loki
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It makes sense to me, but that's probably because I'm a genius. 
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NS_Venom
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So you may think.
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Colonel Banryx
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I've actually though so for a while. And please change your sig, EO, its proving more annoying than I even originally thought.
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NS_Venom
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Well to bad. Its my sig, and you can't do anything about it. For now.........
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Colonel Banryx
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| E.O.T.H. wrote: | | Well to bad. Its my sig, and you can't do anything about it. For now......... |
I know, but it is really annoying. You're right I can't do anything about it, but its not necessary to you and its rude to just ignore me and be an ****** about it. Seriously, its really pissing me off now. Just keep one, nobody really cares that much about what you watch or do, and its proving far more annoying. Your sig doesn't need to be that size, nobodies' does.
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NS_Venom
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Fine, I'll kill the pokemon pic., but the others stay. After all, I can't find them anymore on the site I go to. Perhaps, I'll find a smaller pokemon sig.......
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Colonel Banryx
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Huh, I'm surprised the size of your sig isn't exceeded. Anyways, what kinda games do you like, I could sell you a good one in my banner shop.
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NS_Venom
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Banner shop? You mean like the pic in your sig? Sure, I'm looking for a Pokemon one, mostly Pokemon Platinum version.
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Lord Storms
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I agree that the money system is flawed, although not in the way that you claim. But I'm limited on time, so I'll have to explain later.
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Dread Abyss
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| Lord Storms, Dragonmaster wrote: | | I agree that the money system is flawed, although not in the way that you claim. But I'm limited on time, so I'll have to explain later. |
Can you explain now?
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Lord Storms
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Banks would be a good idea; you would HAVE to store your money.
Insurance should also be important.
And everyone should work at a buisness. This would create an actual economy in the empire. (If we can work it well, maybe even a stock system)...
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Baron Loki
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I'll do the Stock Market and Pension Retrievment Center right now!
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Dread Abyss
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We have banks and Freeze's insurance, but not everyone has a job in Clan Business. Is it truly necessary for everyone to have a job, Storms?
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Lord Storms
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Cool!
You and I can run a New Deal for the Empire!
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Dread Abyss
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New world order, new world order! Free Tibet!
Excellent idea.
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Baron Loki
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The revolution begins... now.
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Dread Abyss
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What about Tibet?
If EOTE doesn't find out how to make Storms an admin he could make Storms moderator of Clan Business and Clan Bank, as Loki's apprentice.
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NS_Venom
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Already figured it out. 8)
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Colonel Banryx
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With the help of good ol' me!
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NS_Venom
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Yes, with your help.
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Dread Abyss
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Now Storms can edit everyone's balance and make himself supreme overlord--
Nevermind.
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Colonel Banryx
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I don't see why you're so sad about this, Abyss.
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Dread Abyss
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Just annoyed.
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Colonel Banryx
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Why are you so annoyed? You didn't do anything to deserve it anyway.
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Dread Abyss
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I just wanted to be an admin. I saw no harm coming from it and EOTE already said he'd make me one...
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Colonel Banryx
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Like I said, poor judgement. You had no need, and making everyone an Admin would cause chaos. It should be a lot harder. Besides, you get it and everyone will want it. Earn it, and people will still want it but not complain that you got it.
Am I the only one here who wants to work his way up?
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Dread Abyss
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You're off topic.
I think that the money system should have at least one zero taken away from it. Instead of $20,000 we have $2000.
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Colonel Banryx
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We've already solved this, Abyss, and we all have $5000.
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Lord Kaen
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I've seemed to have lost mine. 
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Dread Abyss
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You lost your money?
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Lord Kaen
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No, my sanity. XD
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Dread Abyss
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Yaaay, we're all like snowflakes; we fall from the sky and then we gently land on the ground!
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Lord Kaen
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right...*pushes Abyss off of plane*
oh yeah...*throws backpack full of rocks* you might find useful
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Dread Abyss
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Er, people float.
Oh no the atmosphere... space seagulls! OooOOOooh!
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Baron Loki
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My money went through the syndicate!
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NS_Venom
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Go to the spam topic.
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